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	<title>Comments on: A Fat Full Fall:  Dairy fats – What’s the Moo?</title>
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		<title>By: More on Fats, Particularly Coconut Oil and Lard &#124; Musings of a Housewife</title>
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		<dc:creator>More on Fats, Particularly Coconut Oil and Lard &#124; Musings of a Housewife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dairy Fats &#8212; What&#8217;s the Moo? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A gallon of whole milk &quot;cream top&quot; is $5.99 at the Hyvee in Topeka, KS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A gallon of whole milk &#8220;cream top&#8221; is $5.99 at the Hyvee in Topeka, KS.</p>
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		<title>By: tonya</title>
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		<dc:creator>tonya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>could be, but i&#039;d guess it was probably dietary.  if your cow munched a weed(s) in their pasture...or even onion tops.  

in college we had to taste &quot;off&quot; milk in our animal products class.  one of the &quot;off&quot; flavors was onion &amp; another was garlic.  ick.  not so good.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>could be, but i&#8217;d guess it was probably dietary.  if your cow munched a weed(s) in their pasture&#8230;or even onion tops.  </p>
<p>in college we had to taste &#8220;off&#8221; milk in our animal products class.  one of the &#8220;off&#8221; flavors was onion &amp; another was garlic.  ick.  not so good.<br />
<span class="cluv"> tonya&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://twitter.com/rcwant2be/statuses/6454412483" rel="nofollow">rcwant2be: someone in northern michigan should tweet #snowmobile #trail #conditions</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.kitchenstewardship.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe oxidation was our problem with our summer milk.  We had some &quot;off&quot; issues!  ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe oxidation was our problem with our summer milk.  We had some &#8220;off&#8221; issues!  ???</p>
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		<title>By: tonya</title>
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		<dc:creator>tonya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the link above:
•Milk is usually not oxidized when first taken from the cow; however, an oxidized flavour can develop within 24 hours during refrigerated storage under conditions which promote the oxidation reaction. In some instances, it may take from 48 to 72 hours to develop following milking.

This means oxidation starts on the farm, in the bulk tank, while the milk is still raw, or depending on the timeline, if you are getting your milk straight from the farm, in your own fridge even.  It looks like propentency for oxidation comes from cow diet, enviroment the milk is stored in &amp; cow genetics.

•Oxidized milk poses no health risks; however, it presents significant risk to retail sales. Consumer rejection of off-flavoured dairy products can result in temporary to permanent loss of sales to dairy competitors.

i am not aware of this being a problem in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the link above:<br />
•Milk is usually not oxidized when first taken from the cow; however, an oxidized flavour can develop within 24 hours during refrigerated storage under conditions which promote the oxidation reaction. In some instances, it may take from 48 to 72 hours to develop following milking.</p>
<p>This means oxidation starts on the farm, in the bulk tank, while the milk is still raw, or depending on the timeline, if you are getting your milk straight from the farm, in your own fridge even.  It looks like propentency for oxidation comes from cow diet, enviroment the milk is stored in &amp; cow genetics.</p>
<p>•Oxidized milk poses no health risks; however, it presents significant risk to retail sales. Consumer rejection of off-flavoured dairy products can result in temporary to permanent loss of sales to dairy competitors.</p>
<p>i am not aware of this being a problem in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PL,
Another bummer in the food world.  I&#039;m glad most of my milk comes straight from the farm!  :)  Thanks for the info --
Katie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PL,<br />
Another bummer in the food world.  I&#8217;m glad most of my milk comes straight from the farm!  <img src='http://www.kitchenstewardship.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Thanks for the info &#8211;<br />
Katie</p>
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		<title>By: Psychic Lunch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Psychic Lunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s something I came across in regards to oxidized milk: 

&quot;Mixing of oxidized milk from one farm with non-oxidized milk from other farms in the same bulk truck can result in the oxidation of the whole load of milk.&quot;

This is from Manitoba Agriculture, Food and Rural Initiatives at http://www.gov.mb.ca/agriculture/livestock/dairy/cda20s02.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s something I came across in regards to oxidized milk: </p>
<p>&#8220;Mixing of oxidized milk from one farm with non-oxidized milk from other farms in the same bulk truck can result in the oxidation of the whole load of milk.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is from Manitoba Agriculture, Food and Rural Initiatives at <a href="http://www.gov.mb.ca/agriculture/livestock/dairy/cda20s02.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.gov.mb.ca/agriculture/livestock/dairy/cda20s02.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane,
Thanks for joining us!  :)

You ask great (and difficult) questions...
1.  I wouldn&#039;t use soy milk - never milked a bean, so I don&#039;t trust it!  ;)  Soy is pretty controversial right now, so I&#039;d rather stay away from it, plus it&#039;s a new phenomenon to have so MUCH of it in our diets.  If the soy is for protein, there are other more traditional sources.  If it&#039;s just to have something to put on his cereal, you&#039;d have to get creative or have alternate breakfasts to avoid the soy, if you decide it&#039;s no good.
2.  I know folks who just choose not to drink milk - they get their calcium either from other dairy sources or things like homemade bone broth, certain vegetables, etc.  Protein from natural sources like meat and beans.  Try this link for foods with certain minerals:  http://www.kitchenstewardship.com/2009/10/13/super-foods-break-down-part-one-whats-in-there/  For beverages, just serve water, or there are alternative beverages in the &quot;real food&quot; world that I haven&#039;t really delved into.  I&#039;ve tried water kefir, which is interesting: http://www.kitchenstewardship.com/2009/09/15/is-water-kefir-as-good-as-soda-pop/
3.  Some people who cannot tolerate store milk can handle &quot;raw&quot; or &quot;fresh&quot; milk, which means it&#039;s not pasteurized and the enzymes that can help the baby calf (and you) digest it are still present (they are killed in the pasteurization process).
4.  Love the comment on mama&#039;s milk!  Good for you!

Remember - you don&#039;t have to make a zillion changes at once.  Say a prayer about it, prioritize and do one thing at  a time.  There&#039;s always more to learn!
:) Katie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane,<br />
Thanks for joining us!  <img src='http://www.kitchenstewardship.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You ask great (and difficult) questions&#8230;<br />
1.  I wouldn&#8217;t use soy milk &#8211; never milked a bean, so I don&#8217;t trust it!  <img src='http://www.kitchenstewardship.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   Soy is pretty controversial right now, so I&#8217;d rather stay away from it, plus it&#8217;s a new phenomenon to have so MUCH of it in our diets.  If the soy is for protein, there are other more traditional sources.  If it&#8217;s just to have something to put on his cereal, you&#8217;d have to get creative or have alternate breakfasts to avoid the soy, if you decide it&#8217;s no good.<br />
2.  I know folks who just choose not to drink milk &#8211; they get their calcium either from other dairy sources or things like homemade bone broth, certain vegetables, etc.  Protein from natural sources like meat and beans.  Try this link for foods with certain minerals:  <a href="http://www.kitchenstewardship.com/2009/10/13/super-foods-break-down-part-one-whats-in-there/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kitchenstewardship.com/2009/10/13/super-foods-break-down-part-one-whats-in-there/</a>  For beverages, just serve water, or there are alternative beverages in the &#8220;real food&#8221; world that I haven&#8217;t really delved into.  I&#8217;ve tried water kefir, which is interesting: <a href="http://www.kitchenstewardship.com/2009/09/15/is-water-kefir-as-good-as-soda-pop/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kitchenstewardship.com/2009/09/15/is-water-kefir-as-good-as-soda-pop/</a><br />
3.  Some people who cannot tolerate store milk can handle &#8220;raw&#8221; or &#8220;fresh&#8221; milk, which means it&#8217;s not pasteurized and the enzymes that can help the baby calf (and you) digest it are still present (they are killed in the pasteurization process).<br />
4.  Love the comment on mama&#8217;s milk!  Good for you!</p>
<p>Remember &#8211; you don&#8217;t have to make a zillion changes at once.  Say a prayer about it, prioritize and do one thing at  a time.  There&#8217;s always more to learn! <img src='http://www.kitchenstewardship.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Katie</p>
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		<title>By: jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found your site and am reading up on the fat full fall now.

wow... this is the first time I&#039;m really delving into all of this and it&#039;s a little disturbing!  So a few questions:
-for families who don&#039;t drink milk, what do you give your kids instead?  Our 7 year old currently drinks milk with each of her meals and it&#039;s seemed like a good way to get some protein and calcium into her... what do you substitute?
-our 3 year old is diagnosed as lactose intolerant (though I suspect it&#039;s something different as he also can&#039;t tolerate yogurt or anything) so he drinks soy, which also seems like not a super natural substitute.
-our 6 month old is still all on mama&#039;s milk and will remain on that for as long as we can!  But I can&#039;t make enough for the whole fam ;-)

Thanks for any ideas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found your site and am reading up on the fat full fall now.</p>
<p>wow&#8230; this is the first time I&#8217;m really delving into all of this and it&#8217;s a little disturbing!  So a few questions:<br />
-for families who don&#8217;t drink milk, what do you give your kids instead?  Our 7 year old currently drinks milk with each of her meals and it&#8217;s seemed like a good way to get some protein and calcium into her&#8230; what do you substitute?<br />
-our 3 year old is diagnosed as lactose intolerant (though I suspect it&#8217;s something different as he also can&#8217;t tolerate yogurt or anything) so he drinks soy, which also seems like not a super natural substitute.<br />
-our 6 month old is still all on mama&#8217;s milk and will remain on that for as long as we can!  But I can&#8217;t make enough for the whole fam <img src='http://www.kitchenstewardship.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for any ideas!</p>
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		<title>By: K @ Prudent and Practical</title>
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		<dc:creator>K @ Prudent and Practical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Kalona Organics is wonderful ~ I love their sour cream!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Kalona Organics is wonderful ~ I love their sour cream!<br />
<span class="cluv"> K @ Prudent and Practical&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/PrudentAndPractical/~3/74i3GbysUcY/" rel="nofollow">Crockpot Spicy Peanut Chicken</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.kitchenstewardship.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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