To soak or not to soak?
Nope, this isn’t the definitive post (sorry to tease you!). I told you here that when you see a post titled “To Soak or Not to Soak” that I’m finished debating the soaking grains question. Today, I’m just inviting you into my document folders to introduce you to the tangled web of research and opinions I have collected so far.
Five experts from various fields have weighed in on the topic of soaking grains and phytates/phytic acid for me. They are:
Sally Fallon Morrell is the founder and president of the Weston A. Price Foundation and author of Nourishing Traditions. Fallon Morrell wrote the book on soaking grains. Literally. She believes the phytic acid and enzyme inhibitors in unsoaked whole grains are dangerous to consume. She advocates soaking grains as I’ve described previously, in a warm, slightly acidic medium, at or above room temperature for 12-24 hours.
Much of the information found on the Internet, especially the blogosphere, on soaking grains and phytic acid ultimately winds back to her work as the source. Some say the Nourishing Traditions viewpoint is based on bad science or outdated resources. Some of it is, justifiably, unsubstantiated, and certain recommendations (like how to soak dry beans) have been changed over the years after being found to be ineffective. My goal was to find information outside the realm of Weston Price, so that I could either substantiate or disprove the soaking grains theory.
Dr. Teri O’Brien is a Harvard alum biologist who has published research in the fields of Botany, Zoology, Cell Biology, Plant Physiology and Biochemistry, and Plant Anatomy, including four books and over 75 journal articles over the last 50 years in the field. He has done some of the research that Sally Fallon Morrell doesn’t quote.
He validates the fact that whole grains DO have phytic acid, which renders most of their minerals unavailable, but otherwise he disagrees with Fallon wholeheartedly and thinks soaking grains is a complete waste of time and quite ineffective.
Amanda Rose has a Ph.D. in political science but turned her academic expertise to the issue of food science to get to the bottom of her post-partum depression after having her first child. She doesn’t claim to be an expert, but has compiled extensive research on phytic acid and how to reduce it in our diets.
She published a Phytic Acid White Paper with the results of her findings and is also the author of a full-length book, Rebuild from Depression. She soaks grains but prefers sourdough preparation, and her research showed that soaking grains is both necessary and valid. She and I are hypothesizing currently about the effectiveness of using a few spoonfuls of sourdough starter instead of whey when soaking oatmeal. Want to be a guinea pig?
Rebecca Wood is a Julia Child award-winning author of The Splendid Grain and The New Whole Foods Encyclopedia. She has been writing about healing with a sustainable diet since 1970. When I stumbled across her website, I thought I had found a possible phytic acid resource outside the realm of the Weston A. Price Foundation (it seemed as though every other source I could find ultimately spun back to relying on Fallon Morrell’s work, and I wanted other support).
Unfortunately, when we spoke on the phone, Wood told me she had simply accepted the information in Nourishing Traditions. She did call my attention to germinated brown rice and is in active discussion with Eden Foods about the best way to prepare legumes (I’m poking my nose in that conversation, of course!), so I’m glad to be in contact with her, but she’s now looking to me for more balanced soaking research.
Dr. Stephan Guyenet holds a B.S. in biochemistry from and a Ph.D. in neurobiology and currently conducts research on body fat regulation. His academic mind, however, has been put to other good use in his spare time: He studies health and well-being through the science behind traditional food preparation. He blogs about his findings at Whole Health Source, which is where I discovered the method for soaking brown rice that I prefer.
He was kind enough to share his findings with me, including actual research about phytates, phytic acid and phytase, along with his interpretations of the evidence. He believes it’s important to consider how healthy traditional cultures treated their grains, but he’s not a parrot of Weston A. Price without reading the food science journals himself and applying science to history. I finally found my alternate source!
Next week: The text of email conversations between Sally Fallon and Dr. Teri O’Brien, plus some unique perspectives on when and why three of these experts would recommend white bread or white flour.
**Catch up on all the soaking grains research so far and my recipes for sourdough preparation and soaked grains, all in one convenient spot.**
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Thank you for the time you are taking in presenting the may sides of this subject. I’m interested in what you find out from Eden foods. I typically prepare my own beans at home, but in a pinch I use their products. I’ve found Eden canned beans (in BPA-free cans too!) to be the only I can digest without any problems.
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I have also looked for scientific information outside the Weston Price /Nourishing Traditions circle. Thank you for posting. I will be following your links to further my research.
Blessings -
Connie
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This would be such a great addition to my brand new Vegetarian Foodie Fridays Linky. I know you aren’t vegetarian but I am a big fan of the realfoods movement and I think you have a lot to offer the vegetarian and especially vegan community in the way of nutrition advice and how to eat better and what kinds of foods to avoid. I would love to be able to bring you more traffic. I use your site a lot.
Anyway, if you ever have a recipe or food post that passes as vegetarian on Fridays I hope you’ll consider me.
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Katie Reply:
May 1st, 2010 at 12:53 am
Thanks, Melodie – I’ll add that one to my carnivals list!
Katie
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I love the idea of trying sourdough starter in the oats to soak. I usually use buttermilk, but my husband is not in love with the sour flavor that comes with it. He loves the sourdough pancakes though so maybe….But, how would I go about testing the effectiveness?
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Katie Reply:
May 1st, 2010 at 12:55 am
Tami,
We can’t really test the effectiveness, but I’m trying to test the “how to do it so the husbands don’t throw you out” ness.
My husband doesn’t like the sour oatmeal, either. Sourdough made it pretty sour once, and awesome another time! I need to figure it out – probably freshly fed starter, not too much. Some people notice their digestion gets messed up when they eat unsoaked oats, so those people would be able to test its effectiveness pretty well. Email me if you try it!
If sourdough doesn’t work for you – try yogurt whey. It is the most mild flavor (not sour) that we’ve found!
Katie
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Thank you, thank you! Weston Price is a bit dictator-like. It’s hard to find info on their favorite topics outside their own realm. Great job!
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You’re doing a great job researching this! I can’t imagine how much work and brain cell power this uses! I really appreciate it and can’t wait to hear more! In the meantime, I’m doing some of both.
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Thank you for pulling all of these resources together. I’m just mastering the bread baking and eating whole foods … one day I’ll advance and check out soaking grains, etc. I enjoy your balanced perspectives!
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I have been following your blog over the past few months and finally got over my commitment issues and subscribed through my Google reader! I think your research and information is fantastic and it’s been so helpful to me in trying to navigate the world of whole food eating despite trying to keep my processed-foods-addicted husband happy! Thanks for your insight, wisdom and knowledge.
blessings to you!
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Wow, what a wealth of information! Thank you for taking the time to put this together.
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Wonderful post!! I never thought I’d get so excited about the soaking grains issue ; ). Looking forward to more posts!
“Want to be a guinea pig?” Yes! I’ll try the sourdough starter with oatmeal today. I assume we add the same amount as with whey or yogurt?
Thank you for all your time looking into this subject!
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JenE Reply:
April 30th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Whoops – I just saw the “adding a few spoonfulls” of sourdough to the oatmeal.
Thanks again!
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Katie Reply:
May 1st, 2010 at 1:33 am
JenE,
Katie
I do add the same amount, 1 Tbs/cup liquid, but sometimes it’s sour! Try freshly fed sourdough the first time for sure. Let me know how it goes!
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Thanks for tackling this issue and going outside of WAP for research and info. The latest WAP quarterly discussed grains and phytates (by Rami Nagel?) but I get lost half way through because I’m so bad at chemistry (an so not interested). For the most part, I soak. I figure that God led me to this diet (NT) 5 years ago and I have faith that for the most part, it’s the right one for our family.
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Wow, Katie, what a blessing you are to us to do this research and share it with us! After my additives post, I can’t imagine how you wrap your head around stuff like this on a regular basis! Looking forward to reading your findings -
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I am simply chomping at the bit to read all of this information! Thanks so much for putting together such a wealth of information and varied panel of experts for us! I appreciate all of your hard work!
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Anxiously waiting!
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You are just amazing– I am so impressed with all the intelligent and thorough research you do in so many of theses areas…Bravo! And thank you for compiling it for us all!
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Awesome, I’m so glad that YOU are doing this research so that I don’t have to.
Looking forward to more!
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Thank you Katie! I can’t wait to hear more! I too love to know the “proof” behind the theories.
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I’m so glad you’re doing this research! Reading Nourishing Traditions left me wanting more in the way of research on some subjects, and soaking grains was certainly one of them.
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Just started my oatmeal soaking with sourdough starter (made with rye). I’ll let you know how it comes out!
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Katie, I’m so impressed! Keep up the amazing work, and can’t wait to hear more!
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Thanks for all the effort you’re putting into this topic. These days I’m so confused about grains, I have reduced them to a bare minimum in my diet.
You frequently post about subjects that I am pondering… chemicals in food, cosmetics etc…
So I gave you some awards, mainly so that more readers can find your information. http://freshslowcooking.com/48/spreading_the_love
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Katie Reply:
May 4th, 2010 at 12:35 am
Zibi,
Thanks, I’m honored!
Katie
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I tried the oatmeal soaked with rye sourdough starter. It had a very strong flavor and smelled like… well… like a really good sourdough starter! I don’t mind strong flavors, but this was a little too strong for me. Perhaps others will like it. For now, I’m going back to my oatmeal soaked with yogurt with some rye added. Looking forward to your findings!
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Katie Reply:
May 4th, 2010 at 12:39 am
JenE,
Katie
Thanks for testing it! Did you use 1 Tbs starter per cup water? (I soak in half the water needed and add the other half in the a.m. so it’s not as sour) Was your starter freshly fed or right from the fridge? I agree, it’s a bit sour for us, too. Thanks again!
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Hi Katie –
I used more than 1 tbs sourdough that was not from the ‘fridge (fed the day before) for 1/2 cup of oats and water. Then added the other 1/2 cup water at time of cooking. Looks like I added too much starter!
Thanks,
Jen
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Just in case anyone is subscribed to this old soaking grains post, I wanted to let you know that I’ve reopened the issue with the goal of closing it at KS this Friday. There’s also a little Nutrimill grain mill giveaway going on.
Last fall we tested our grains, I did a recap post on soaking grains, measured pH, and have a soaked recipe ebook coming out for free in about a month.
If you’ve been away, come on back to the party!
Katie
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